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I D E L E T E D I · May 21, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Prot Spirit is bad in Ursan Teams, They have generally about 800 health + Armor for Consumables. You wont be migating all that much damage with Prot Spirit in most cases. For Ursan Spirit Bond is a much better choice for a Prot, in most cases

Tyla · May 21, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Please put some good grammar in your post, Damian. ><

Although, it isn't really elitism. It's what's good. Anything works in PvE, but then again, wouldn't you want the best you can get?

Being gimped isn't good.

Damian979 · May 21, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

I apologize to Baratus for dragging out everyone itching to flame someone over every possible thing that has NOTHING to do w/ your topic which was what?.... Oh yea, runes.

To everyone else, my monking and my grammar work perfectly fine, now go back to looking for someone to persecute.

Tyla · May 21, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I wasn't meaning to be a grammar nazi. It's just hard to read posts when they're mainly walls of text. (See your last post) That only makes it harder for people helping you.

But if you're not going to learn from others' experience, I can't really help you after that. Nor can anyone else.

Bront · May 22, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Damian979

Lol, ahh I have just have one more "stereotypical" response then I'm done w/ this topic. I didn't start a new topic saying "My monk sucks help me", I was posting a suggestion on what works very well for ME. In all fairness I will try swapping my DF scalp for healing as I'm all for suggestions and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. The elitist "you don't know what you are doing b/c you aren't doing what I'm doing" attitude I can do w/out. However it's not a matter of opinion but a fact that a healer's only job is to heal and if you aren't "crapping energy" you aren't healing, and if you aren't healing, you are one step away from leeching(or at the very least just pissing off your team).0 en=0 hp if you are the healer and you can't heal regardless of how much hp you have. If you can't "crap energy" in any caster class w/ out proper managing your best bet is to leave the wands and staves alone and focus on melee. I am not concerned at all w/ sacrificing 35hp for the sake of more effective skills, if it ever does become an issue (and w/ less than 10 total deaths in 2 1/2 campaigns between groups and myself, it hasn't) I will go beat hell's w/ yet another char and get a +60 staff. As I said in my first post I am by no means saying "I'm the best monk, do as I do and nothing else".

Let's see if I can't explain the energy point a little nicer then. (I hope you took my DF vs healing point as simply pointing out the math, not saying "you're wrong")

Simply put, you can gain a fairly good sized amount of energy simply from your weapons (Be it sword/spear + shield, or Wand+ Foci, or staff), so you can easily get yourself around 40 Energy. With radiant insignia over survivor insignia, you end up with 8 energy vs 340health.

Build A has survivor insignia, and uses an energy management, so he uses aproximately a net of 1 point of energy per second. At 40 energy, he can go full out for 40 seconds before he's out of energy. (Of course, he can last longer with wise use of spells and protections, where he doesn't have to be full out casting during those 40 seconds, but that's not the point).

Build B has Radiant insignia as his energy management, and spents 2 energy per second when going full out. This means he'll be out of energy in 24 seconds. Again, he may not need to go full out all the time, but on average, he's still spending more energy than the energy management monk.

Now, if Build B uses the same build as build A beyond just the energy management, he will last a bit longer because of the larger energy pool. But here's where the HP comes in.

40 health is ~7-8% of your max health. That extra cushion of health means that you can hold off healing yourself for just one more spell, as well as a cushion vs a spike and deep wound. And the only think worse than a monk with no energy is a dead monk. This is augmented further if you are also running a Major or Superior attribute rune.

The only situations where Radiants are generally more useful than survivors are situations where you are casting spells that cause exhaustion (I'd love to see a monk build that did that), and/or casting expensive spells with a small energy pool (usually only an issue for Warriors using shock).

Bront · May 22, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Damian979

I apologize to Baratus for dragging out everyone itching to flame someone over every possible thing that has NOTHING to do w/ your topic which was what?.... Oh yea, runes.

To everyone else, my monking and my grammar work perfectly fine, now go back to looking for someone to persecute.

um, last I checked, some people were trying to stay on topic while criticizing your ideas.

As for your grammer, break up your paragraphs a bit, makes them easier to read.

blackknight1337 · May 22, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

nvm this post....

Damian979 · May 22, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Try learning to read beyond a 3rd grade level and perhaps big sentences won't hurt your little heads so much. And PLEASE mother RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing, Goddamn RUNES people. Go deal with your ADD issues and get back to the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing topic.

Pyro maniac · May 22, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

go red engine!

what do you WANT to hear then? If you have got something against +hp, what other choices do you have?
- armor
- energy

energy: +7 energy won't do a lot. It will let you use another WoH before your energy runs out. e-management is key here.
armor: while it outweighs +health if you're just purely healing, the fact that the immense amount of protection you (should be) playing with will clearly negate the effect of the +armor. For example, if you stick +10 vs physical on your armor, it is generally better then a little bit more health. However when you're under permanent aegis and got a protective spirit/spirit bond to back you up while taking heavy damage, the +armor won't do a thing.
+health allows for a bit more leeway if you start messing things op. Even in PvE there are spike damages, even though they're mostly coincidence, giving yourself +health gives you a much better chance to survive.
That being said, the same reason applies to minor/superior. Superior is a bit better in terms of energy/heals. However both a +140 and a +145 hp heal together with some prots save someone's life. It is all about the mistakes though, if you heal constantly for 5 hp less you can run out of energy a little bit faster. However if that means you are able to stay alive when there is heavy focussed damage, the choice is made fairly quick. A death because of low life is much worse then some smaller heals.

Tyla · May 22, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Damian979

Try learning to read beyond a 3rd grade level and perhaps big sentences won't hurt your little heads so much. And PLEASE mother RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing, Goddamn RUNES people. Go deal with your ADD issues and get back to the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing topic.

Divide this wall of text into paragraphs, and not one huge sentence.

It helps people. I believe you should try learning grammar beyond a low level.

If you are making an argument, people won't take you seriously with grammar like that and ignore it or flame you.

All I can say is that you're ignorant and want people to agree with you, and only agree with you. That sort of attitude is bad, and the fact that these things work to a huge extent already, you're gimping yourself.

Having an attitude like that promotes a flamewar, not a discussion.

This is starting to feel like I'm a teacher, and I'm not even 16 yet...

The Way Out · May 22, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Glad to know people are still retarded here!

OP... best advice you get is from a good monk ig. Don't ask here. People here have their heads firmly wedged up their own asses!

The best monks I play with don't sit back and cast...

Damian979 · May 22, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

I personally don't care about people's short attention spans, whether or not they aggree w/ my views, or how much they want to assume about me. I was posting a suggestion on someone else's topic, not asking everyone with an ass hole and an opinion to jump all over my crap for every petty little thing they don't like. All I see is a load of crap from certain people about how I'm so insufficient because I don't play the way they want me too. I've never received a complaint about the "quality" of my healing or my ability to survive NM or HM.

That being said.....
Alright, I went out and bought my old 55 smiter a second set of Droknar's gear for healing groups. I got the gear and have already been the lone healer on several tough missions, such as the infusion mission and the two prior to it, and have faired well. Now however, I want to rune up my new gear, and I am not sure exactly how. Most spells I use right now are healing, with one or two protection spells. My current build has divine favor and healing maxed, and the rest in protection. Below are the few builds I have considered and would like feedback on.

* Superior Healing, Superior Protection, Minor Divine
* Superior Healing, Minor Protection, Superior Divine
* Superior Healing, Major Protection, Minor Divine
* Superior Healing, Minor Protection, Minor Divine
* Major Healing, Major Protection, Major Divine
* Major Healing, Minor Protection, Major Divine
* Major Healing, Major Protection, Minor Divine

So what configuration would perform better for healing and running end-game missions? I am leaning towards The first, second, and fifth builds listed above, but I am torn on which to use. I want to be able to heal large groups and by switching gear, go solo anywhere mesmers don't roam. Ideas or suggestions?<-------topic

and I'm not even 16 yet...[/QUOTE] My fault for over estimating. Graduate college or for the love of God at least high school before you start criticizing other peoples grammar.

The Way Out · May 22, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Damian979

I personally don't care about people's short attention spans, whether or not they aggree w/ my views, or how much they want to assume about me. I was posting a suggestion on someone else's topic, not asking everyone with an ass hole and an opinion to jump all over my crap for every petty little thing they don't like. All I see is a load of crap from certain people about how I'm so insufficient because I don't play the way they want me too. I've never received a complaint about the "quality" of my healing or my ability to survive NM or HM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian979

My fault for over estimating. Graduate college or for the love of God at least high school before you start criticizing other peoples grammar.

*smile*<------------people here don't matter!

When you learn that, you can actually sit a couple rows back and laugh at the masses! hehe

Baratus · May 22, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

I'd actually gone past this thread and not checked it in a week. My monk has max DF and healing, and dishes insane amounts of healing out. I have run every Prophecies mission with him and kept the entire parties up myself. Only once did I have a second monk in the group, and she was protection. She also quit halfway through when she died one time. I finished the mission and bonus, and that was on the attunement mission. I also did Thunderhead with only myself and a necro guildmate, so I assume my build is sufficient. I do appreciate all the constructive responses though. I also appreciate the flaming, because I personally got to sit down and laugh during the middle of my work-day!

The Way Out · May 22, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Baratus

I'd actually gone past this thread and not checked it in a week. My monk has max DF and healing, and dishes insane amounts of healing out. I have run every Prophecies mission with him and kept the entire parties up myself. Only once did I have a second monk in the group, and she was protection. She also quit halfway through when she died one time. I finished the mission and bonus, and that was on the attunement mission. I also did Thunderhead with only myself and a necro guildmate, so I assume my build is sufficient. I do appreciate all the constructive responses though. I also appreciate the flaming, because I personally got to sit down and laugh during the middle of my work-day!

Sweet! I knew you tools were good for something! hahahahaha

blackknight1337 · May 22, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

This will be my final post in this thread....

The Way Out, good job at contributing absolutely nothing to the thread. Monking is completely about seeing the entire field, especially in pvp. Unfortunately if you don't have prots, you have to wait till the damage is actually done...

Deleted...I have plenty of experience in choosing what skill is best for where. Kindly go treat someone else like a newb if you think you know everything about monking, Kathandrax is known for its end boss (before they removed his health regen). If I take prot spirit, it is because I damn well will have a use for it.

Tyla I know you love flaming people about whatever as much as anyone else, but grammar nazi's have never been well liked on forums, so I would suggest you just leave it be. If it hurts your eyes so much, dont read it.

Damian I returned your pm before I looked at the latest posts in the thread, I don't think swearing left and right is going to help anything. Otherwise, in the end its your choice what you put on your armor. I do believe in my first post I didn't call you inefficient, I said you were using gear that is not top-end.

Finally, My final thing on armor and monk equip...

Top setup has been and will be...

Straight healing
minor heal + hat, minor divine, w/e you want in last 3 slots, full survivor

Straight prot (though really not useful unless running zb in arenas)
minor prot + hat, minor divine, w/e you want in last 3 slots, full survivor

Hybrid
minor heal+hat (if using woh) otherwise prot if using zb/rc..., minor prot/heal (depending on what you have on hat), minor divine, whatever in last 2 slots.

Reasoning for full survivor over radiant. Most people deck their monk with attunement/radiant runes and use a staff so they don't have to weapon swap. They usuallly end up with 60 energy or so, depending on what they have on staff. Well guess what if you weapon swap, you have 72 energy in your high set.

So benefits of proper armor and shield set, with swap to high set, over staff + bad armor set

As much or more energy.
Free access to better other weapon mods for casting (40/40, etc.)
Sitting in shield set +60hp +8al (+10 vs element as well) (and you sit in shield set when in combat as well unless casting)
+40 hp from survivor insignia
2-3 more rune slots to use for something other than attunement runes

As far as superior runes go, all they do is eliminate your health "buffer". Major runes are closer, but still not as good as minors. Running 2 superior runes and having all the energy in the world won't do you any good when you get trained by 3 warriors who roll over your 400 health monk promptly. I'm assuming no preprot with prot spirit for a couple reasons. If you are running ursan, there won't be a ps on the team anywhere. For other pve, I've noticed that the monks who use staffs and sup runes are usually the ones that can't read the field anyway, so having it and having it on you before you get rolled are completely different things.

In closing minors/survivor/weapon swaps rule, everything else drools

The Way Out · May 22, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackknight1337

This will be my final post in this thread....

The Way Out, good job at contributing absolutely nothing to the thread. Monking is completely about seeing the entire field, especially in pvp. Unfortunately if you don't have prots, you have to wait till the damage is actually done...

Deleted...I have plenty of experience in choosing what skill is best for where. Kindly go treat someone else like a newb if you think you know everything about monking, Kathandrax is known for its end boss (before they removed his health regen). If I take prot spirit, it is because I damn well will have a use for it.

Tyla I know you love flaming people about whatever as much as anyone else, but grammar nazi's have never been well liked on forums, so I would suggest you just leave it be. If it hurts your eyes so much, dont read it.

Damian I returned your pm before I looked at the latest posts in the thread, I don't think swearing left and right is going to help anything. Otherwise, in the end its your choice what you put on your armor. I do believe in my first post I didn't call you inefficient, I said you were using gear that is not top-end.

Finally, My final thing on armor and monk equip...

Top setup has been and will be...

Straight healing
minor heal + hat, minor divine, w/e you want in last 3 slots, full survivor

Straight prot (though really not useful unless running zb in arenas)
minor prot + hat, minor divine, w/e you want in last 3 slots, full survivor

Hybrid
minor heal+hat (if using woh) otherwise prot if using zb/rc..., minor prot/heal (depending on what you have on hat), minor divine, whatever in last 2 slots.

Reasoning for full survivor over radiant. Most people deck their monk with attunement/radiant runes and use a staff so they don't have to weapon swap. They usuallly end up with 60 energy or so, depending on what they have on staff. Well guess what if you weapon swap, you have 72 energy in your high set.

So benefits of proper armor and shield set, with swap to high set, over staff + bad armor set

As much or more energy.
Free access to better other weapon mods for casting (40/40, etc.)
Sitting in shield set +60hp +8al (+10 vs element as well) (and you sit in shield set when in combat as well unless casting)
+40 hp from survivor insignia
2-3 more rune slots to use for something other than attunement runes

As far as superior runes go, all they do is eliminate your health "buffer". Major runes are closer, but still not as good as minors. Running 2 superior runes and having all the energy in the world won't do you any good when you get trained by 3 warriors who roll over your 400 health monk promptly. I'm assuming no preprot with prot spirit for a couple reasons. If you are running ursan, there won't be a ps on the team anywhere. For other pve, I've noticed that the monks who use staffs and sup runes are usually the ones that can't read the field anyway, so having it and having it on you before you get rolled are completely different things.

In closing minors/survivor/weapon swaps rule, everything else drools

Award for longest diatribe goes to... YO MAMMA!

Yoshikuni Mahsu · May 22, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

I dont know why any of the people here who actually know anything about monking try to help those who dont want to listen. Try to help, if they dont listen, leave it be, dont try to throw it in they're face. Everyone will figure it out eventually.

EDIT: I also acknowledge this was slightly my fault due to this comment:

Quote:

Ugh, hate to sound mean, but you sound like such a stereotypical PvE monk, I hate to say.

But it was in no way ment to offend anyone and start the pointless WWII it did.

Tyla · May 22, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

Tyla I know you love flaming people about whatever as much as anyone else, but grammar nazi's have never been well liked on forums, so I would suggest you just leave it be. If it hurts your eyes so much, dont read it.

I expect people to be educated and to understand basic grammar.
This is something you should learn in school anyway.

How do you expect arguments are to be carried out? Clumped up walls of text?
Please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian979

My fault for over estimating. Graduate college or for the love of God at least high school before you start criticizing other peoples grammar.

Yeah, because at the END of your time in secondary / high school, you're going to learn basic grammar?

See some of your previous posts where it is just one huge paragraph, instead of split up and has better presentation.

Although, take a look at this:

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Although, it isn't really elitism. It's what's good. Anything works in PvE, but then again, wouldn't you want the best you can get?

Being gimped isn't good.

Do it if you want. I'm not stopping you. But I'm explaining that being gimped isn't good, so why would you not go for the best?

Damian979 · May 23, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

For just a few examples:

Anyway, go all minors, run highest in the attribute you're running, run heal straight away skills or Patient Spirit.<---run on sentence

And lose the radiants, and bring a high energy set.[/QUOTE]<---incomplete sentence

Although, it isn't really elitism. It's what's good.<---2 incomplete sentences w/ improper nouns

I can't really help you after that. Nor can anyone else.<---try a comma

That sort of attitude is bad, and the fact that these things work to a huge extent already, you're gimping yourself.<---run on sentence

Clumped up walls of text?<---improper punctuation, not a question

instead of split up and has better presentation.<---?

But I'm explaining that being gimped isn't good, so why would you not go for the best?<---don't start sentences with "but"

How do you expect arguments are to be carried out?<---not with 15 year olds

Now go finish school.